Passing drug tests
Posted on December 15, 2011
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I’m sorry if this thread is misplaced, but I didn’t think the main would be good since it would be filled with jokes, and I’d like real answers.
My sister’s boyfriend apparently went in for a job interview recently and the job was in the bag, until they told him to take a drug test. He hadn’t smoked weed in a month, and even then wasn’t a regular user. Out of paranoia he did that whole detox thing the night before/day of the drug test just to "be safe." Two days later the company called and told him the job was no longer his and that not only did the urine test show marijuana, but also something trying to mask it
I was blown away. The last time I had to take a drug test was almost 4 years ago for my current job. Back then I remember I had smoked once maybe 3 weeks before the drug test and was terrified, so I also did the detox….except I passed.
I was curious if anyone in here has done a drug test in the last few years (after doing a drug) and passed or did not pass. I’m still blown away at the idea the urine test could prove something was used to cover the drugs themselves.
how are you blown away ? It’s a chemical, they can test for that shit. Companies aren’t stupid.
Or if you try to flush your system, they’d just see that your urine wasn’t "normal"
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how are you blown away ? It’s a chemical, they can test for that shit. Companies aren’t stupid.
Or if you try to flush your system, they’d just see that your urine wasn’t "normal" |
I guess I just keep thinking back to the test I took a few years ago after a detox and passed.
I’m really curious if anyone here has (or knows someone) who also detoxed but failed
I know a Marine who failed his original drug test. The recruiter took him to buy the detox and swore he would be fine. I presume they have an idea of what to look for in terms of detox chemicals and are also skeptical of dilute urine (the old flush your system trick)
Ouch, I took test pure for FLACRA when I got a DWI in 2007.
It worked everytime, even when I had smoked the day before. I drank a massive ammount of water, I pissed three times in the hour before before I took the test. It was a 20 minuet drive to the place and I had to piss like a racing horse when I got there.
I juat figured that it was a vitamin drink and that all the water you drank turned your pee into water and then the overdoes of vitamins threw off the test. When I had to take the random test I happend to drink a shit load of water before because I was suspisious. There was no male counlsor there that night, so I was set into the bathroom by myself, I turned the hot water on when I went in, just a little bit I peed in the cup and added more than 1/2 hot water. I was desprate, I passed.
Must be that the job used a better test than the FLACRA in geneva NY did.
I feel bad for the guy. It is beyond stupid that weed is illegal.
My understanding is that most of the ‘detox’ kits for flushing marijuana out of your system actually consist of having you drink so much goddamn water that it becomes harder to detect (that is, whatever they sell you is bullshit, it’s the 9 gallons of water they tell you to take with it that might fool the test).
At any rate, it’s not very difficult to tell when someone has been drinking an absurd amount of water before a urine test, so some of them also recommend you take (or, I suppose, include) a bunch of vitamins to make it less obvious. Those are detectable.
So if you test positive for marijuana and you’ve clearly been ingesting an insane amount of water and vitamins, it’s pretty obvious that you were trying (unsuccessfully) to mask a test result. I suppose that even if you don’t test positive, they might be suspicious and ask you to take another one.
Unless your friend is extremely fat and was a heavy user, or lied about his usage to you, it is highly unlikely there were any THC metabolites in appreciable amounts (above the error range of the test). However, your friend should have done his research instead of freaking and detoxing. Since they know there were masking agents, it was likely a GCMS test.
The reality of the situation is, if you’ve got low body fat and aren’t a heavy smoker you dont have much to worry about past 3 days, especially if you’re active. If you’ve got average body fat and aren’t a heavy user you dont have much to worry about past 7 days. If you’re high body fat and aren’t a heavy user it usually clears in 14-21 days. Of course, the more you smoke the longer it takes, but those of low and average body fat rarely see anything outside of error after 30 days. If he was a moderate to heavy user and of above moderate to high body fat and went out and took a bunch of flushing agents and did a bunch of exercise for the days leading up to the test, it is possible that there were some marijuana metabolites. Regardless, if they see masking agents in the urine they’re going to assume you were trying to beat the test.
He probably smoked more recently than a month ago and just didn’t want to admit that no way is it staying in your system for longer than 30 days
The best way to clear marijuana from the system is by fecal matter, not urine. Drinking a bunch of water just allows your body to metabolize efficiently. Cut out fats completely, go on a calorie deficient diet, and consume indigestible oils. Deal with the diarrhea. Because you will have diarrhea, drink plenty of water and electrolytes. On the days leading up to the test go to a calorie surplus diet with fats. Acidify your urine with natural sources (cranberry juice), take B vitamins, and be well hydrated the day before and of the test.
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I guess I just keep thinking back to the test I took a few years ago after a detox and passed.
I’m really curious if anyone here has (or knows someone) who also detoxed but failed |
Detox systems dont actually detox. They acidify your urine and mask the metabolites. This works for on the spot dip tests. Generally, the sample is split into multiple aliquots. One is tested with a dip test. If it fails, they send the rest off to an analytical lab for GCMS testing to confirm the results, because false positives on dip tests are just as likely as false negatives.
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I was curious if anyone in here has done a drug test in the last few years (after doing a drug) and passed or did not pass. I’m still blown away at the idea the urine test could prove something was used to cover the drugs themselves.
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if they can test for weed, why are you surprised they can also test for substances commonly used to mask weed?
if i dump oil in my back yard the EPA can test to see i dumped oil. if i cover it with an enzyme to break it down, why couldn’t they test for the enzyme?as well?
They can test for ANY compound. To nearly any realistic precision. In any sample. It’s what analytical chemists do. Cost leads to practical limitations so most stop at basic GCMS (Gas Chromatography with Mass Spectrometry). Even a basic GCMS test is several hundred dollars to the consumer.
that’s my point.
if a company is concerned about testing for weed, why would someone be surprised that they’re testing for things to mask weed?
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that’s my point.
if a company is concerned about testing for weed, why would someone be surprised that they’re testing for things to mask weed? |
420 Detox sauce marketing.
Sell diuretic, vitamin C, B12 supplement with metabolite binding proteins in nasty tasting liquid with a visually appealing bottle for $20. Claims it beats modern science. Why do the meatheads in F&N think their $40 can of "SUPER STRENGTH" amino acids is better than eating an egg?
Pot stays in your system for months…
If you, or someone you know, is worried about a piss test – why not stop using drugs?
If the employer is going to do an intial test for drugs initially – before hiring – they sure as shit are going to do it randomly after the hire…
The employee is bound to fail sooner or later
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Pot stays in your system for months…
If you, or someone you know, is worried about a piss test – why not stop using drugs? If the employer is going to do an intial test for drugs initially – before hiring – they sure as shit are going to do it randomly after the hire… The employee is bound to fail sooner or later |
No one listen to this person.
Which person are you referring to?
You, the person I quoted.
Marijuana doesn’t stay in your system with in the error of a standard GCMS test for months. 30 days is the longest for even over weight individuals. 60 days and you are sure to be clean. Most companies have an initial drug test and then only test to follow is in the instance of an accident, which is blood or saliva. Blood and saliva also tests for THC, not THC metabolites. Thus, you must have smoked recently, to the point you are still under the influence to some extent. Saliva tests are so inaccurate people have been known to pass with in 30min of smoking. GCMS testing is expensive, unless you’re the military or otherwise associated with government or high risk work environemnts they’re not going to waste the money randomly testing. Even the military combines EVERYONE in unit samples into one sample. If it fails then they proceed to individual testing. Because of the dilution, people often get by using drugs in the military.
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You, the person I quoted.
Marijuana doesn’t stay in your system with in the error of a standard GCMS test for months. 30 days is the longest for even over weight individuals. 60 days and you are sure to be clean. Most companies have an initial drug test and then only test in the instance of an accident, which is blood or saliva. It also tests for THC, not THC metabolites. Thus, you must have smoked recently, to the point you are still under the influence to some extent. Saliva tests are so inaccurate people have been known to pass with in 30min of smoking. |
I seem to remember being told it stayed in your system longer than 30 days. This was when I was in the service on active duty.
In any event, if people are being screened for employment with a piss test, that means the employer is checking their integrity and honesty.
Cheating on a piss test doesn’t meet either of those characteristics.
What good’s a dishonest dirtbag ?
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I seem to remember being told it stayed in your system longer than 30 days. This was when I was in the service on active duty.
In any event, if people are being screened for employment with a piss test, that means the employer is checking their integrity and honesty. Cheating on a piss test doesn’t meet either of those characteristics. What good’s a dishonest dirtbag ? |
Of course the military is going to tell you it stays in your system longer. They dont want their recruits breaking the law. The employer is not testing integrity and dishonesty, they’re testing for insurance and legal liability. I’m glad you think someone is a dishonest dirtbag for using drugs. Real world experience would prove you wrong.
If a person is using illegal drugs and lies about it to his employer when asked, yes, that person is dishonest. I’ve been in the real world a long time son.
That doesn’t make them a "dirtbag". No employer asks "do you use drugs." They say "piss here."
You’ve obviously never applied for a position that required any sort of clearance.
I took a drug test maybe 3 years ago and passed after smoking about a week before. It was only one bowl though, I was NOT a regular smoker, and I’m a very small frame with high metabolism. I did nothing to clean my system, just figured I’d either pass or fail.
A lot of my friends swear by stingers you can get at the smoke shop. I dunno how accurate this is, but I’ve also always heard if you drink cranberry juice, water, and vinegar it helps flush you out. Feel free to correct me.
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that’s my point.
if a company is concerned about testing for weed, why would someone be surprised that they’re testing for things to mask weed? |
Makes sense, I’ve just never even thought about it honestly Always just figured they had a way to just check for the certain drugs that could come up.
BTW, guy did not lie about when/how much he smoked. He’s a little chubby, so he was pretty sure that was why it was still in his system. He hasn’t smoked since and got a different job
You’re right, because I’d never join the military or work for a military contractor or US intelligence organization due to personal political and moral disagreements. Growing up in a military household, I know how shitty it is on a family as well.
Let’s try to stray from this derail…
For you, I will.
This was over 15 years ago – not sure about advancements in testing since then.
Tested for a job – was a regular user. I bought some of that "tea" where you have to drink an entire gallon within like 3 hours or something.
Test result was negative, but "specimen too dilute, suggest re-test." So I retested a couple days later – same tea — same result.
I was told I would be given one more chance to "pass" with non-dilute specimen.
I was looking at the box for the tea and there was a 100% guarantee. So I called up the place and told them my problem. They suggested a different product they made where you only drink one glass of their mix, plus one glass of plain water instead of a whole gallon. They also said to send them the proof of purchase for the teas and the results from the 1st two tests and they would refund me.
I got the other stuff and passed the test. I also got a refund as promised.
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This was over 15 years ago – not sure about advancements in testing since then.
Tested for a job – was a regular user. I bought some of that "tea" where you have to drink an entire gallon within like 3 hours or something. Test result was negative, but "specimen too dilute, suggest re-test." So I retested a couple days later – same tea — same result. I was told I would be given one more chance to "pass" with non-dilute specimen. I was looking at the box for the tea and there was a 100% guarantee. So I called up the place and told them my problem. They suggested a different product they made where you only drink one glass of their mix, plus one glass of plain water instead of a whole gallon. They also said to send them the proof of purchase for the teas and the results from the 1st two tests and they would refund me. I got the other stuff and passed the test. I also got a refund as promised. |
Drink enough water and you will dilute your urine to the point that the test becomes inadmissible. A week or more of not smoking and still partailly diluting is what got you the pass. Detox gimmicks are just that, gimmicks. Some work to a moderate extent on dip tests, nothing but sample dilution and being clean works on GCMS. Dont think for a second they actually "detoxifying" you. The methods used today are pretty much the same as then.
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Pot stays in your system for months…
If you, or someone you know, is worried about a piss test – why not stop using drugs? If the employer is going to do an intial test for drugs initially – before hiring – they sure as shit are going to do it randomly after the hire… The employee is bound to fail sooner or later |
Wow, please stop postign.
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I seem to remember being told it stayed in your system longer than 30 days. This was when I was in the service on active duty.
In any event, if people are being screened for employment with a piss test, that means the employer is checking their integrity and honesty. Cheating on a piss test doesn’t meet either of those characteristics. What good’s a dishonest dirtbag ? |
Do you believe everythign you are told?
Off topic but I like your style man, you come off very intelligent…I could be wrong..but I doubt it
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Unless your friend is extremely fat and was a heavy user, or lied about his usage to you, it is highly unlikely there were any THC metabolites in appreciable amounts (above the error range of the test). However, your friend should have done his research instead of freaking and detoxing. Since they know there were masking agents, it was likely a GCMS test.
The reality of the situation is, if you’ve got low body fat and aren’t a heavy smoker you dont have much to worry about past 3 days, especially if you’re active. If you’ve got average body fat and aren’t a heavy user you dont have much to worry about past 7 days. If you’re high body fat and aren’t a heavy user it usually clears in 14-21 days. Of course, the more you smoke the longer it takes, but those of low and average body fat rarely see anything outside of error after 30 days. If he was a moderate to heavy user and of above moderate to high body fat and went out and took a bunch of flushing agents and did a bunch of exercise for the days leading up to the test, it is possible that there were some marijuana metabolites. Regardless, if they see masking agents in the urine they’re going to assume you were trying to beat the test. |
Lab tech crew?
Still in skool chem crew.
PS I have a drug test for a new job that I just got… I send the signed paper work today.
We don’t usually get very many interesting urines outside of a few crystals, sperm, trich, and occasionally some positive drug screens…but last week we got one into the lab that was 40
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